Posts by Village Idiot

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James Penton

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

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james penton is he still alive?

my wife left me his book but i've not found anything else on him.

does he post somewhere?.

I spoke with James Penton in the early 1980s during the purge that started with Ray Franz and moved down to the rank and file. We were part of a phone tree network that spanned the entire United States and Canada (This was before the Internet).

He called me once and asked if I could go to Mexico as a spy to gather information on the military card issue. I had to say no because my Spanish was heavily accented in English and I felt that they would have become suspicious and blown my cover. I wish I could have.

I've got a very old phone number of his that probably is no longer his but if anyone wants it they can PM me.

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Gods name

by Mr.logic in

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what is the correct spelling of gods proper name"yahweh or jehovah"?

if the jw's maintain that yahweh is more proper, why do they misspell it "jehovah"?

if the name of god is so important, then you should not only pronounce it correctly, but spell it correctly too.

Village Idiot

Mr.logic:

What is the correct spelling of Gods proper name"Yahweh or Jehovah"?
If the JW's maintain that Yahweh is more proper, why do they misspell it "Jehovah"? If the name of God is so important, then you should not only pronounce it correctly, but spell it correctly too.

That's like asking what the correct spelling and pronunciation of Jesus is. In the original Hebrew it is Yeshua (Joshua) which was transliterated into Iesous in Greek then Iesus in Latin which then morphed into the English Jesus.

Nobody pronounces the name Jesus as it really was pronounced so what's the point in quibbling over Yahweh (which is more closely Yahveh)?

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How many of you think.......

by punkofnice in

..that the governing body are only in it for money and power?.

how many of you think the gb are all/some are sincere?.

okay, i know this has been asked before but i can't find the thread and there are newbies here.....and i like the sound of my own voice.

Village Idiot

They used to be in it for the power and not the money. They were, decades ago, very low key about their finances. Nowadays they're in it for both power and money. I can't believe how much they've changed from years ago.

I think they engage in double-think were they know and pretend not to know what they're doing. They BS and then fool themselves with their BS. No reason to give them the benefit of a doubt, they're as evil as any other dictator whatever it is that they believe.

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OMG, I’m gonna get Old and Die.

by John Aquila in

when it finally clicked,.

and you realized there was no 1914, there was no generation that would see the end of a wicked system, there was no paradise around the corner, .

what went through you mind?.

Village Idiot

punkofnice: "I now realise life is hopeless. I hate life. I can't wait to die but don't want to end it myself"

Hang in there guy, I've been there myself until I got help. If you can afford it take some anti-depressants. They've helped me a lot once I found the right one.

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Newspaper article: 'Rise of ISIS and earthquakes are WARNINGS before ARMAGEDDON destroys Earth'

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/581439/rise-isis-earthquakes-warnings-before-armageddon-apocalypse-end-destroys-volcanoes-earth.

the "end" of mankind, which has been long predicted by jehovah's witnesses, could happen as soon as this year - according to latest announcement from the christian religion.. in the latest edition of jehovah's witnesses monthly publication watchtower, an article translated into 700 languages - urges people to join the religion or face certain death when god sends his forces from the heavens to "remove all world leaders," "exterminate his enemies" and "rid the world of satan".. critics have lambasted the warning of a coming armageddon as yet another "failed prediction" by the religion, which has previously delivered similar alerts such as a foretold apocalypse in 1975.. indeed, jehovah's witnesses have been warning people of the need to recognise jehovah or face certain death when the "end" comes for more than 100 years.. the christian-based religion was founded in the 1870s by charles taze russell in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, us, as an offshoot from the bible studies movement.. today, there are 8.2million jehovah's witness evangelists, while 19.9 million celebrated their annual memorial festival marking christ's death - worldwide in 2014.. followers do not believe in military service and will not accept blood transfusions.. in a new eight-page article, watchtower said jehovah's witness leaders are now "convinced" humans are in their "final days" before the armageddon.. they cite an increase in global armed conflict, such as the rise of the islamic state terror group, as well as natural disasters such as volcanoes and earthquakes.. the lengthy article, written by an unnamed author, said: "will god let humans continue to dominate one another and threaten the future of mankind?

no, as we have seen, he will step in and bring an end to centuries of misery and oppression.

Village Idiot

There's an irony between ISIS and Christianity. Muslims believe in end times also. According to their apocalyptic teaching they will have a messiah like leader who's referred to as Mahdi after the caliphate is established. Jesus will come down from heaven (!!!) and join the Mahdi in a fight against an antichrist figure. That will usher in an era of peace.

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Crises of conscience

by Deltawave in

i have just read the book crises of conscience in less than 3days!

i could not put it down!

even in front of my jw wife and her family.

Village Idiot

Deltawave: "What is the next book? I thought the was only this one?!"

His other book is In Search of Christian Freedom.

I was already out when I read his two books. It merely confirmed what I had already suspected. I considered it despicable how he was disfellowshipped simply for having a meal with his employer/landlord who had merely disassociated himself. .

One thing I liked about the book was how even handed it was. No bitterness shown although I would have understood if there was. I even spoke to him once over the phone before he wrote the book and was impressed by his humility.

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If Women were elders, would it make a difference in the organization?

by John Aquila in

imagine three single sisters who qualified to be appointed as elders in the congregation.

they qualified because they started reaching out in their early teens.

persistently and methodically they worked their way through the ranks by pioneering then becoming a m.s.

Village Idiot

34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. - 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 New International Version

3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. - 1 Corinthians 11:3-6 New International Version

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Intelligent design my ass

by Doltologist in

so man was made by god in his image was he?.

so the human body was intelligently designed was it?.

you are kidding me !!.

Village Idiot

Hold Me-Thrill Me:

"Disorder in the right place and circumstance can be extremely interesting. An unchanging universe would not be as exciting and interesting to the human mind as one which is both orderly and disorderly as the universe is."

It's not merely disorder but destructive disorder that kills life.

Doltologist:

HMTM

"Galaxies crashing into one another may be fine just as long as no life exists in any of them. If life does exist then that's just tough because god wants to see what happens when galaxies do collide."

Wouldn't God know what would happen without making a mess? He's supposed to be all knowing.

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The "Final Push" before the GT!!! I think they REALLY believe it!

by DATA-DOG in

i don't know if i have shared this with everyone, but there seems to be a new theocratic term, at least in my circuit.. the term is "final push.

" wtf does it mean?

well, an eldub said that the gb are "all in" with warwick and they might spend all their money on the project.

Village Idiot

SimonSays, "Horatio what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."

SimonSays, that quote is mistakenly attributed to Shakespeare:

http://www.shakespeare-online.com/faq/misquotesfaq.html

It was Walter Scott who made that statement in his book Marmion.

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How big of a problem is apostasy.

by joe134cd in

i often wonder if apostasy could be defined as the "silent problem", as the majority who leave for this reason choose to fade saying nothing.

in all the decades i was a witness i could probably count on 2 hands those who were disfellowshipped for apostasy.i must admit it wasn't until i came on the internet that i fully realise the depth and extent of the problem.

i think of that young girl high school speech that went viral, and you can't tell me all those 300000+ views were all none jws.

Village Idiot

How big of a problem is Apostasy? There is a 1% per year disfellowshipping rate and the apostates that get df'd are most likely a small portion within that group. However, there is likely to be a relatively large number of still-in, underground apostates that never get discovered. They probably make up several percent.